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Is Connecticut California Without The Weather?

States share a history of progressive policies and debt

“Connecticut is California without the weather,” goes a relatively new quip making the rounds. 

Lately it appears the small state suffers from a big identity crisis. Some point to the social policy passed during the last legislative session as evidence of Connecticut’s tilt to the left. And some point to the fiscal situation as proof positive the Nutmeg State shares much with the Golden State. 

So is Connecticut really California without the weather? Capitol DisPatch set out to analyze the aside.

“There’s something to that. Connecticut has been clearly evolving. It’s almost counterculture people who have come to power here,” said Prof. Gary Rose, Chair of Politics and Government at Sacred Heart University.  “When you talk about paid sick leave, civil unions, marijuana, that used to be a West Coast thing. But now it seems Connecticut has been absorbed into the liberal fold. The state has changed from being a swing state. It voted for Ronald Reagan in 1984.”

Democrats outnumber Republicans in the state House and Democrats hold all Connecticut’s Congressional seats, both in the U.S. House and the U.S. Senate.

Of course, the weather part of the jibe refers to southern California, where temperatures average in the 70s. 

Connecticut is less constant when it comes to weather. According to the National Oceanic Atmosphere Administration, NOAA, the warmest temperature on record is 106 degrees, recorded in Danbury on July 15, 1995. The coldest belongs to Falls Village, which registered 32-below-zero on February 16, 1943.

But when state Rep. Chris Perone, a Democrat representing Norwalk in the 137th House District, thinks about climate, it’s got nothing to do with temperature. 

“We’re breaking new ground as a microcosm,” Perone said. “We’re not so much California but we have an upstate-downstate thing going on. It tends to be more progressive upstate.” 

This past session that progressiveness introduced decriminalization of marijuana, transgender rights, and good behavior credits for convicted criminals.

State Sen. Andrew Maynard, a Democrat representing Stonington and Groton in the 18th Senate District, said “it's a clever phrase, but I don't think it's runs true.”

Citing that the state was one of the first for integration, and the landmark case Griswold v. Connecticut, 1965, which increased reproductive rights for women and originated in Connecticut, Maynard said, “there’s a long history of progressive thought in Connecticut, we should be proud of that.”

“I will say Connecticut has moved far liberal and moved far more to the left,” state Rep. Lile Gibbons, a Republican representing Greenwich in the 150th House District, said.

Precisely, said State Sen. L. Scott Frantz, a Republican representing Greenwich, New Canaan and Stamford in the 36th Senate District. 

“It’s the kind of legislation that gets states into trouble,” Frantz said. “Often when you break the mold that created the best country known to mankind – if you get too far away from that mold – you are in trouble.” 

“If liberal is the same as fairness than I vote for liberal,” said state Rep. James Crawford, a Democrat representing Clinton in the 35th House District. 

“There are sources and factions at work that are trying to split the country down class lines,” Crawford said. “The folks who will benefit from paid sick days are in the low to low-middle class. The right to get sick is as human as it gets.” 

Frantz said decriminalizing marijuana, transgender rights and the passage of gay marriage illustrate this kind of mold breaking. The second-term senator said he would have preferred Connecticut to leave it at civil unions, calling that a “terrific solution to the age-old question of how to avoid discrimination.” 

State Rep. William Tong, a Democrat representing Stamford and New Canaan in the 147th House District and candidate for U.S. Senate, sees it differently. 

“I view Connecticut as its own state with a very clear identity – a wonderful place to raise a family; a community of hardworking people; and a place ready to be a leader in the economy of tomorrow,” Tong said. “During the current recession, many states have run into budget problems and some, sadly, have attempted to balance budgets on the backs of our working men and women.” 

For Fred Carstensen, UConn’s Director for Connecticut Center for Economic Analysis, comparing the two states is like comparing apples and oranges. 

“I don’t see the analogy at all,” Carstensen said. “Connecticut doesn’t have a super majority to make tax increases, it doesn’t have split party rule. It doesn’t have the kind of referendum and recall structure that can make life so difficult there. I don’t see it at all.” 

“The reason California is where it is, is because they have that practice (ballot initiative), said Maynard. “People can make very emotional votes on tax issues, Connecticut at least has the ability to throw the brakes on.” 

Yet regarding the financial situation, most legislators agree Connecticut stands on a precipice. Moody’s recently lowered the outlook for state’s bond rating to negative from stable. 

“You’ve got industry assets but it’s like taking a Ferrari engine and scattering the parts across an empty airplane hangar. If you focus, you could build a good engine,” Perone said. “But that hasn’t happened in a long time.” 

The General Assembly passed as a means to carve a research and development corridor in the state. It also passed as a means to attract and keep young people in the state. Gov. Dannel P. Malloy also told legislators to prepare for a special session on jobs come autumn. 

Yet, it isn’t just jobs or lack of them that prompts the Connecticut-California comparison. It’s the debt. 

“In terms of the debt, yeah, we've managed over time to accumulate an amount of bonded indebtedness,” said Maynard. “We could do a helluva lot better on holding back on additional indebtedness but I think people should be careful what they ask for.” 

Maynard said the majority of the state’s indebtedness comes from public school construction and if the state didn’t subsidize those projects, the taxpayers in those towns would have to take on the full responsibility. 

Right now California has a $10 billion debt, compared with Connecticut’s $1.6 billion debt, Frantz said. Put another way, California’s debt is $270 per person compared with Connecticut has $471 per capita in Connecticut. 

“We are the single-most indebted people. We are in worse shape than California,” Frantz said. 

Connecticut also exceeds California in numbers when it comes to its respective state house.

California has 120 legislators for 37,253,956 people, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. That breaks down to 40 state senators and 80 assembly members. Connecticut has 187 legislators for 3,574,097 people according to the US Census Bureau. That breaks down to 36 state senators and 151 state representatives. 

“There are too many people in the legislature here, in both the House and the Senate,” Frantz said, adding that it’s expensive to run and California runs much more cheaply. 

“People are very pro-government here which is ironic since the license plate says Constitution State – which implies limited government,” Rose said. “Connecticut as California – it’s apropos.”

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Matthew Macunus Jr. May 24, 2013 at 02:25 pm
Kathleen, I think if we contact Sportees for less that $22 we can get the shirts done in the nextRead More town over and even get an AMERICAN made shirt. If we sell them for $15 we can make a good profit for your Favorite Charity. Call Jack at Sportees, (860) 440-3922. Local guy employing local union printers and a better price. BUY LOCAL! The money stays in the area! Build the Southeastern CT economy.
Ryan Schrader May 24, 2013 at 02:15 pm
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Kathleen Mitchell May 24, 2013 at 02:09 pm
Ryan, When I said "give a little donation to my favorite charity" I didn't mean give aRead More shirt to Peg. I meant send a check to Where Angels Play Foundation at 245 Shaw St., New London, CT 06320 for our playground, Emilie's Shady Spot, which will be built at Riverside Park in honor of little Emilie Parker, one of the children killed at Sandy Hook. Ours is just one of 26 playgrounds being built by New Jersey State Firefighters Mutual Benevolent Association to honor the victims. http://www.thesandygroundproject.org/ What do you say?
Joshua Pendleton May 24, 2013 at 06:31 pm
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Matthew Macunus Jr. May 24, 2013 at 01:34 pm
OMG I did not realize that "CLUELESS" was her middle name. And she would be a fittingRead More addition to "Team Finizio". It keeps it all on the same plane of ability.
Sue P. May 24, 2013 at 12:34 pm
I think that all of you who are asking Zak to resign better take another glance at what you areRead More saying. If Zak did decide to resign who do you think Mr. Mayor himself would put in Zaks place? Think about it, does the name Laura Clueless Natusch come to mind. She has been the all time supporter of Himself and he does owe her something for standing by him in all of the foolishness. Be careful what you wish for. I personally would find that entertaining. Come on seriously that would be a hoot.
Felicia Hendersen May 24, 2013 at 09:11 am
Truth Hurts, that is exactly the reason that Zak needs to step down, dumb youthful urges and notRead More thinking before one acts is not the right mix for someone in the position representing the community. Do the right thing Zak and resign. These things never go away, but you should.
The Truth Hurts May 23, 2013 at 10:01 am
Bottom line - A dumb decision by a public servant. If he was going to wear a shirt whose humor wasRead More so eccentric that it needed wide explanation, he should have avoided the urge to take a picture AND post it on Facebook! DUMB!
Mario de Lucia May 22, 2013 at 07:52 pm
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--Robert May 23, 2013 at 03:15 am
Pathetic that anyone would post this as a legit news story, more so that it seems a big corporationRead More is behind these ads.
Jason Morris May 22, 2013 at 01:30 pm
Jessica's previous two posts in other city's patch pages, with the exact same title (just schoolRead More district name changed) have been moderated/deleted. Recommend this corporate advertisement to get the same fate. The concerns are true, but it's an ad nontheless.
Felicia Hendersen May 24, 2013 at 09:13 am
Barbara, the shirt creator, Zak and the band of mayoral supporters all share the same mind. That isRead More why it is difficult for them to make any good decisions.
Barbara Crocker May 23, 2013 at 07:39 pm
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Marco Frucht May 23, 2013 at 06:43 pm
Barbara, Felicia, you people amuse me! Might I also suggest that this entire issue is being blownRead More way out of proportion?
Felicia Hendersen May 21, 2013 at 07:52 am
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Sue P. May 20, 2013 at 11:03 am
Very good comparison. I also wanted to add that the Ct. College students that believe what FinizioRead More has to say remind me of The Children of the Corn. After speaking with a friend we realized that Mayor Finizio is like a college student. I just wish he knew that real life does not work this way. New London has already played this game with the Giordano lady years ago. Remember her she was from Ct. College and also was going to make New London a hip city. We got homeless people and brownfields. So much for that idea. Been their done that. How about a new idea for once. Please don't think about shutting down State St. that too was a bad idea. Just ask Mr. Hyslop and Ms. Glover how their ideas worked out. It doesn't matter anyways it's all about the votes and getting your Children of the Corn on the Council. I mean come on drivers licenses for illigals who ever thought that one up.
J. Scagnetti May 20, 2013 at 10:07 am
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Carol Haley May 19, 2013 at 07:14 pm
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Spencer May 19, 2013 at 07:10 pm
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Carol Haley May 19, 2013 at 05:26 pm
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Richard Waselik May 22, 2013 at 03:40 pm
I would say that the Collective Bargaining Agreement would have to be looked at for his Union.Read More Mr. Hathaway is not in Local 1378. He is MEU. I would say, that this is an interesting question for our members. Local 1378's CBA does not go into this language, however it does state that prior to reorganization, the union must be notified to bargain the impacts (not exact language). This is not to say that the union has final say, or say at all as to how the administration shall operate, but the impact to the employees is what matters as well as the position in general. I will look into this language in reference to the Charter and forward it to the MEU as well. Thank you.
Kathleen Mitchell May 22, 2013 at 03:17 pm
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Richard Waselik May 22, 2013 at 10:37 am
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